INTERVIEWS

Interview with  The Linus Pauling Quartet (US) Texas psych rock band
 APRIL 29 2011
 

Clinton: Larry Liska, Ramon Medina and I all grew up and went to school together. We were in various different bands in the Houston area such as "Fear of Roaches" and "Schlong Weasel" which all shared the same idea of noisy, over-the-top guitar, somewhere between garage punk and metal. Ramon and I used to have "feedback contests" on guitar in between listening to his older sister's Black Flag records. Ramon later met Stephen Finley and with Larry formed the band that eventually became the Linus Pauling Quartet. I joined in late '93, as I recall, and I remember our first gig being at a place called Epstein's near downtown Houston, opening up for the Mike Gunn. We were friends with those guys from high school and college, and we definitely shared many of the same influences -- American punk rock, heavy blues rock, and metal. We all traded records around; I know that Tom Carter (formerly of the Mike Gunn and now of Charalambides) turned me on to the Swans and the Stooges, for example. I was fascinated by the 13th Floor Elevators, since they came from our own backyard, and also loved the Butthole Surfers, Scratch Acid, and other punk/psych bands from Texas in those days like the legendary Party Owls. As far as our name goes, we started out calling ourselves Linus but to distinguish ourselves from the many other Linuses in the field, we adopted Dr. Pauling as our namesake and patron saint. A couple of years later, Charlie Horshack joined as our 5th permanent member, which made us a quintet in all but name...
Charlie: Clinton would know, as I was not there for most of this. I showed up in August of 1996 to do sax parts for some of the songs on "Killing You With Rock," and stayed ever since, plaguing these poor people like a bad cough. I wasn't there for the first show, but I know I saw the band (before I joined obviously) downstairs at Rudyards and they made an impression at a time when I was totally in love with Houston's psych-rock scene; I think I listened to the Mike Gunn's "Almaron" several dozen times my senior year of college. But I didn't really come from the same place as any of the other guys otherwise.
Ramon: Like Clinton said we all came from the Clear Lake area. I remember back in the Schlong Weasel days we drove down to Larry�s House and grabbed his first ever batch of Liska Brau and then jammed all night. As I recall it was Larry, Jim Otterson, Tom Carter, Scott Grimm, and I can�t recall if Clinton was at this one or not. But the thing about it is that this was Larry�s first attempt at making beer and clearly something had gone wrong because everyone got this weird buzz � like acid or really fucking good weed. Needless to say some weird proto songs came out of that night. I also remember when we jammed in Larry�s shed and came up with Song About Horses. I say this in every interview but the version on Almaron of that song - Scott Grimm plays my bassline wrong and hits the 4th note wrong.

At the University of Houston we were pretty bored and did stuff like record concept albums. Scott, Clinton, and I did a concept album about Tom Carter as a roommate. The songs were about things like �Tom ate all my food� and stuff like that. That�s where we came up with �Tom�s in the bathroom.� The funny thing is Tom laughs about it now but at the time he heard the cassette and actually had his feelings hurt. So yeah, while Tom and Scott came from the east coast the rest of us all grew up here for the most part.

I should add that a friend of ours, Kyle Silfer, got everyone together and made a "concept album� called Aetherion. That cassette is likely long gone but it was the inspiration for the narrative to Ashes in the Bong of God.

I should also add that John Cramer and I formed a band with Jim Otterson and Kurt Mackey. It was called Bongtooth and it was the proto-Mike Gunn band. I got tired of the whole Schlong Weasel thing and wanted to do something a bit more song-oriented. I hunted down John (who had gone into hiding after a bad acid trip) and we played for a short time. I can�t recall exactly the reason but the Mike Gunn began as a somewhat more metal band and the original guitarist, Elliot, left and they got John to take his place and soon snatched Kurt away as well. So, I can�t recall what happened but we played one last show at the Axiom and just burned that candle out. Some of the Bongtooth songs went on to appear on Mike Gunn records and I engineered the recording of the basic tracks of Almaron over at KTRU fm and you can also hear me curse on the air at the beginning of the second Mike Gunn album.

As for Linus, I think Clinton covered most of it. He forgot to mention our two part-time members � Flip Osman and Kelly Sandin. Flip stated playing keyboards with us and Carol electronics and vocals. They just fill in when they want but they do add a lot when they are here. A lot of the stuff on Killing You with Rock wouldn�t be the same without Flip but he doesn�t live in Texas so he�s limited in his participation. Carol sings vocals on out cover of The Pain Teens� My Desire�Oh wait that�s not out yet. Anyhow, after we�re done with our next album - �Bag of Hammers� that we�ll likely finish this summer � we�re hoping Carol can really put some input on the following record.
Clinton: Many of the songs from "Horns of Ammon" were actually written earlier or around the same time as "All Things are Light". In an ideal world, we would have released both records at the same time as a double album, but we split it into two instead. At any given time, it seems we have pop and psych elements influencing us as well as punk and heavy music -- the balance between these constantly changes. Right now, I've been listening to a lot of older blues - T Bone Walker, Albert King, Lightnin' Hopkins. My main diet of early American garage punk and blues rock like MC5, Grand Funk, Blue Cheer and the Stooges, and English blues like Cream, Zeppelin, and Sabbath hasn't changed much. I have also been listening to a lot of more recent heavy blues and metal like High on Fire, Mastodon, Nebula and Fu Manchu.
Charlie: Really "Horns of Ammon" is a document of the stuff we wrote between "C6H8O6" and "All Things are Light," which is why our release order is just screwy to me. If we were going to split those two out into separate records, "Horns of Ammon" should've been released first. For whatever reason, Linus songwriting tends to veer around like a drunk driver a lot. We always tend to return to our homebase of heavy psych-rock, but in between those visits to home, we branch out into improv, more poppy stuff, more traditionally psychedelic stuff, etc. "Horns of Ammon" was a sort of side-trip for us, but I guess in a way it cleansed the palate so we could get more and more rockin' so to speak, which is what happened with "All Things are Light", and now our next album, (tentatively titled) "Bag of Hammers," to an even greater degree. As far as what I listen to, it's pretty varied. I like psychedelic music, jazz (primarily Free Jazz), Indian classical music, older country, classic rock, krautrock, etc. I've always been really big into Neil Young (particularly electric, and with Crazy Horse; Neil Young is a huge influence on me as a guitarist), the Velvet Underground, David Bowie (particularly with Mick Ronson, a big influence for me), Creedence Clearwater Revival, early Flaming Lips, Galaxie 500, Spacemen 3, and so on.

Larry: What I've been listening to recently: whatever is on KTRU, for however long that lasts. The old standby Black Sabbath of course. Ozzy-era Sabbath totally rules. Lots of "Fu Man Chu". "Kyuss". My one "Nebula" CD. Austin's "ST37" and "Primordial Undermind". In January I went on a kick and was listening to my few James Brown CDs over and over. Beastie Boys. In Prague I picked up a couple of "Plastic People of the Universe" CDs and have listened to them a few times. I regularly catch myself singing phrases from Mike Gunn albums, so hopefully that counts. I still listen to Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" and one of my Art Blakey albums regularly.

Stephen: Lately I have been listening to alot of High on Fire. Sabbath with Ozzy is also the standard too. I will be seeing Willie Nelson in concert soon too that will be fun.

Ramon: Charlie has it right � horns was between C6 and ATAL. The reason it got all mixed up was because ATAL was kind of a ninja record. What happened during C6 is that the mixing process took forever and I had some bug up my ass to go all out and just make some kind of definitive statement on Linus. So, I cashed out my 401K and sunk the whole fucking thing into the record. I kind of figured, I�d rather have something to show my son when he�s older to show his old man wasn�t so square. But anyhow, I got with Steve and we did a lot in secret. The band didn�t know that what we were recording was kind of a done deal and Steve and I mixed, tracked and did a lot in secret. By the time we told the band, it was largely done. The thing that sparked that album and set the tone was �Southern Pine.� Clinton wrote that and it kind of bridged the gap between the melodic stuff you hear on Horns and the more heavy shit. As for influences�. I have a lot of the same influences as Clinton though I also have to cite Hendrix, as Old Crow totally has that Band of Gypsies shuffle, and there are a lot of classic rock and punk influences to be sure but I tend to borrow small things from local musicians a lot. I started finger picking as a result of watching my friend Mlee Marie (Hearts of Animals) play. There is a song I think Charlie wrote that you�ll hear on Bag of Hammers which I play slide on and I kind of steal from Mlee and Jim Otterson there. I do some things you hear with my analog delay that I stole from Christina Carter like on �Alien Abduction� and bands like the Fatal Flying Guilloteens are apparent when you hear �She Bad She Thowed.�
In terms of other bands I�m listening to right now? What I�ve been listening to in the last few weeks? Well, I�m really digging the new album, Cold Comes to Claim, by that Chicago band Brontosaurus and I�ve been playing a lot of Dungen (Ta Det Lungnt is amazing � thanks Mlee for the recommendation) and Randy Newman. I don�t think any of those bands have anything in common now that I think of it.

Clinton: My favorite Texas psych/stoner act is ST 37 out of Austin, Texas. Hearing them live is a great experience because every performance is different, improvisational - but at the same time they hold down a basic idea with great hooks that pull the audience in and play with a ton of power. But sadly a lot of the great heavy bands in Texas have broken up, and so a lot of the time we feel like dinosaurs -- not a bad thing, necessarily. To be honest, I think that right now there is as much or more momentum for stoner rock outside the United States as there is inside it. Which is funny, because there's always a great fan base here for heavy music, even though our mainstream media avoids it like the plague.

Charlie: I'm with Clinton on ST 37, but honestly I don't get out much to see live music as often as I'd like, and when I do, it's usually improv/free jazz, noise, whatever's currently going on in the Houston local scene... right now it seems like psych isn't that big here. It's a lot more of a pop-rock kind of thing going on, which is cool in its own right, but often makes me feel like we're out of step with the current times. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it does often make finding bands to do shows with a little tricky, and sometimes it results in an awkward fit. Other times the disparity between what we do and what others on the scene do results in a more varied and interesting show though, so I can't really complain. And a lot of these newer bands do put on a pretty good stage show, so that's something.

Stephen: Local band Venomous Maximus is pretty bad ass, Witch Doctor General is killer too.

Ramon: You know to be honest, in Houston, there isn�t much stoner rock informed by psych that I know of. Austin may actually be having a revival now. I know they are having a three day Austin Psych Fest with a lot of good bands like ST37, the Black Angels, and more but those bands aren�t quite getting down over here. For the most part I�m not feelin� a lot of the heavy stuff from Houston. I mean if, it�s fast and crushing like the hardcore bands, it�s amazing but stoner when informed by psych for the most part rolls to more the sludgy and slower paces. Sure there are a lot of bands that cite Sabbath and all that but the riffs to me just seem pedestrian � something is missing in those bands. It�s all heavy but no psych. It seems that a lot of those bands are all about tattoos and whoop-up. They will put on a great live show but you leave feeling no different than when you came it - it�s music as a distraction. So, yeah, the heavy stuff here doesn�t engage me likely because it�s not very psych. Psych kind of goes to a deeper level. Yes, it can have it tongue firmly in its cheek even, but the guitars, the space between the notes, the atmosphere � that kind of goes to a deeper I guess you could say spiritual level. Like smoke a bowl and listen to any Bevis Frond album and tell me that is not soul stirring. That�s when psych is at its best. We likely need to get our asses up to Austin again and check out what happening but we�re likely in the wrong city for the kind of music we do because psych is out of fashion as far as I can tell right now in Houston. But that�s typical for Houston � it�s a young city. I know phenomenal bands who are in their early 20�s now but who were the talk of the town when they were like 19 and now are considered old so you can imagine how we, a 16 year old band, look to that crowd. But psych comes in waves and we don�t ever follow trends � we just stay true to our thing and maybe that really great wave will hit. If it does � awesome � but if it doesn�t we still had a great time in the surf. In the meantime, people in Europe and other parts of the US still have an appreciation for what we do and we�re grateful. To this day, it�s still a great feeling when we see that some person in Greece, Germany, or California picked up our record.

Look, God made weed and he made guitars for a reason so don�t fucking take it lightly. Put on a Stoner Rock album, smoke a bowl and, if it doesn�t open your third eye � throw that abomination in the trash right then. Life is too short to waste on shitty music. Go out and find it no matter where it hides. That is a lifetime quest.

 


Charlie: The next release is tentatively entitled Bag of Hammers, and is planned to be a double vinyl release of our most recent material. Basically we (unintentionally) followed the path from the lighter poppier stuff of Horns of Ammon, through the heavier rock of All Things Are Light, and now this is even heavier stuff, some of it almost approaching metal, or at least metal as filtered through Linus psych-rock. It's not all like that; as with almost all of our records, there's a lot of variety, which I think is crucially important to producing something interesting and lasting. In this case, we have a pretty dreamy psychedelic song called "Rust", and a kind of bluesy rocker called "Saving Throw" (which is all about Dungeons & Dragons), a multi-part song called "Starchimp" that goes through heavy swinging psych-rock and a dual psych guitar duet and then ends up in this slamming coda part, and though we're not 100% sure, we're thinking at least one side of one of the vinyl records is probably going to be taken up with some improvised material or something experimental; we're not really clear yet on that side, but it's wide open for something interesting and different from the rest of the album. It's been remarkable how quickly it's all come together for us. Clinton wrote most of the songs and unlike most of the previous times when songs have either come a few at a time or have taken us tons of time to develop, these were all pretty much written and ready to go in bulk. And then we surprised even ourselves at how quickly we were able to record them, so long gone are the days (such as with C6H8O6) where we take months and months to get anything done. Of course, we're not finished yet, and there's still mixing and mastering, so I guess we're not out of the woods yet. Anyway, if there's one thing I'm overjoyed about with this record, it's that I think it's better than our previous records. When you can do something for over 15 years and it doesn't feel like you're retreading old ground or running out of things to say, that's a pretty awesome feeling.

Clinton: Our recording sessions so far have gone well, with most of the basic tracks already done. We are at a good spot where we are playing the songs very well but haven't worn them out yet, which can happen if you take too long to get them recorded. We are very lucky that Stephen is not just our bass player, but also a sound engineer who has his own studio in Houston, Digital Warehaus Productions. So we have access to some top quality gear, and Stephen took a lot of time to work on things like the drum acoustics. The results so far are great, and I think this record will sound better than anything we've recorded up to this point.

Stonerrock.gr: Thanks to all members for this interview , we hope to listen the new work soon .

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