Interview
with The Linus Pauling Quartet (US)
Texas psych rock band
Stonerrock.gr :Hello from Athens . First
I would like to know the creation of the
Linus Pauling Quartet before 16 years ,
especially the name and the start ,LP4 seems
to start play music in some direction this
time in Texas especially in that scene with
bands like the (Mike Gunn , Dunluvy ,ect )
and others or just formed and play music
that is obvious the LP4 members have same
influences ; What time takes place the 1rst
live Gig and if possible to remember and the
Line up ;
Clinton: Larry Liska, Ramon Medina and I
all grew up and went to school together. We
were in various different bands in the
Houston area such as "Fear of Roaches" and "Schlong
Weasel" which all shared the same idea of
noisy, over-the-top guitar, somewhere
between garage punk and metal. Ramon and I
used to have "feedback contests" on guitar
in between listening to his older sister's
Black Flag records. Ramon later met Stephen
Finley and with Larry formed the band that
eventually became the Linus Pauling Quartet.
I joined in late '93, as I recall, and I
remember our first gig being at a place
called Epstein's near downtown Houston,
opening up for the Mike Gunn. We were
friends with those guys from high school and
college, and we definitely shared many of
the same influences -- American punk rock,
heavy blues rock, and metal. We all traded
records around; I know that Tom Carter
(formerly of the Mike Gunn and now of
Charalambides) turned me on to the Swans and
the Stooges, for example. I was fascinated
by the 13th Floor Elevators, since they came
from our own backyard, and also loved the
Butthole Surfers, Scratch Acid, and other
punk/psych bands from Texas in those days
like the legendary Party Owls. As far as our
name goes, we started out calling ourselves
Linus but to distinguish ourselves from the
many other Linuses in the field, we adopted
Dr. Pauling as our namesake and patron
saint. A couple of years later, Charlie
Horshack joined as our 5th permanent member,
which made us a quintet in all but name...
Charlie: Clinton would know, as I was
not there for most of this. I showed up in
August of 1996 to do sax parts for some of
the songs on "Killing You With Rock," and
stayed ever since, plaguing these poor
people like a bad cough. I wasn't there for
the first show, but I know I saw the band
(before I joined obviously) downstairs at
Rudyards and they made an impression at a
time when I was totally in love with
Houston's psych-rock scene; I think I
listened to the Mike Gunn's "Almaron"
several dozen times my senior year of
college. But I didn't really come from the
same place as any of the other guys
otherwise.
Ramon: Like Clinton said we all came
from the Clear Lake area. I remember back in
the Schlong Weasel days we drove down to
Larry�s House and grabbed his first ever
batch of Liska Brau and then jammed all
night. As I recall it was Larry, Jim
Otterson, Tom Carter, Scott Grimm, and I
can�t recall if Clinton was at this one or
not. But the thing about it is that this was
Larry�s first attempt at making beer and
clearly something had gone wrong because
everyone got this weird buzz � like acid or
really fucking good weed. Needless to say
some weird proto songs came out of that
night. I also remember when we jammed in
Larry�s shed and came up with Song About
Horses. I say this in every interview but
the version on Almaron of that song - Scott
Grimm plays my bassline wrong and hits the
4th note wrong.
At the University of Houston we were pretty
bored and did stuff like record concept
albums. Scott, Clinton, and I did a concept
album about Tom Carter as a roommate. The
songs were about things like �Tom ate all my
food� and stuff like that. That�s where we
came up with �Tom�s in the bathroom.� The
funny thing is Tom laughs about it now but
at the time he heard the cassette and
actually had his feelings hurt. So yeah,
while Tom and Scott came from the east coast
the rest of us all grew up here for the most
part.
I should add that a friend of ours, Kyle
Silfer, got everyone together and made a
"concept album� called Aetherion. That
cassette is likely long gone but it was the
inspiration for the narrative to Ashes in
the Bong of God.
I should also add that John Cramer and I
formed a band with Jim Otterson and Kurt
Mackey. It was called Bongtooth and it was
the proto-Mike Gunn band. I got tired of the
whole Schlong Weasel thing and wanted to do
something a bit more song-oriented. I hunted
down John (who had gone into hiding after a
bad acid trip) and we played for a short
time. I can�t recall exactly the reason but
the Mike Gunn began as a somewhat more metal
band and the original guitarist, Elliot,
left and they got John to take his place and
soon snatched Kurt away as well. So, I can�t
recall what happened but we played one last
show at the Axiom and just burned that
candle out. Some of the Bongtooth songs went
on to appear on Mike Gunn records and I
engineered the recording of the basic tracks
of Almaron over at KTRU fm and you can also
hear me curse on the air at the beginning of
the second Mike Gunn album.
As for Linus, I think Clinton covered most
of it. He forgot to mention our two
part-time members � Flip Osman and Kelly
Sandin. Flip stated playing keyboards with
us and Carol electronics and vocals. They
just fill in when they want but they do add
a lot when they are here. A lot of the stuff
on Killing You with Rock wouldn�t be the
same without Flip but he doesn�t live in
Texas so he�s limited in his participation.
Carol sings vocals on out cover of The Pain
Teens� My Desire�Oh wait that�s not out yet.
Anyhow, after we�re done with our next album
- �Bag of Hammers� that we�ll likely finish
this summer � we�re hoping Carol can really
put some input on the following record.
Stonerrock.gr :The last CD "Horns of
Ammon" goes more to melodic roads than the
previews Release 's "All Things are Light"
and C6H8O6 (La Tapatia, Switzer, Cannonbal)
goes more punk rock roots , this the result
of some influences that time or this come
naturally in the recording ; Tell us about
you listen playlist now in your turntable or
audio Cd the members LP4( you and if
possible some other members ) ;
Clinton: Many of the songs from "Horns
of Ammon" were actually written earlier or
around the same time as "All Things are
Light". In an ideal world, we would have
released both records at the same time as a
double album, but we split it into two
instead. At any given time, it seems we have
pop and psych elements influencing us as
well as punk and heavy music -- the balance
between these constantly changes. Right now,
I've been listening to a lot of older blues
- T Bone Walker, Albert King, Lightnin'
Hopkins. My main diet of early American
garage punk and blues rock like MC5, Grand
Funk, Blue Cheer and the Stooges, and
English blues like Cream, Zeppelin, and
Sabbath hasn't changed much. I have also
been listening to a lot of more recent heavy
blues and metal like High on Fire, Mastodon,
Nebula and Fu Manchu.
Charlie: Really "Horns of Ammon" is a
document of the stuff we wrote between
"C6H8O6" and "All Things are Light," which
is why our release order is just screwy to
me. If we were going to split those two out
into separate records, "Horns of Ammon"
should've been released first. For whatever
reason, Linus songwriting tends to veer
around like a drunk driver a lot. We always
tend to return to our homebase of heavy
psych-rock, but in between those visits to
home, we branch out into improv, more poppy
stuff, more traditionally psychedelic stuff,
etc. "Horns of Ammon" was a sort of
side-trip for us, but I guess in a way it
cleansed the palate so we could get more and
more rockin' so to speak, which is what
happened with "All Things are Light", and
now our next album, (tentatively titled)
"Bag of Hammers," to an even greater degree.
As far as what I listen to, it's pretty
varied. I like psychedelic music, jazz
(primarily Free Jazz), Indian classical
music, older country, classic rock,
krautrock, etc. I've always been really big
into Neil Young (particularly electric, and
with Crazy Horse; Neil Young is a huge
influence on me as a guitarist), the Velvet
Underground, David Bowie (particularly with
Mick Ronson, a big influence for me),
Creedence Clearwater Revival, early Flaming
Lips, Galaxie 500, Spacemen 3, and so on.
Larry: What I've been listening to
recently: whatever is on KTRU, for however
long that lasts. The old standby Black
Sabbath of course. Ozzy-era Sabbath totally
rules. Lots of "Fu Man Chu". "Kyuss". My one
"Nebula" CD. Austin's "ST37" and "Primordial
Undermind". In January I went on a kick and
was listening to my few James Brown CDs over
and over. Beastie Boys. In Prague I picked
up a couple of "Plastic People of the
Universe" CDs and have listened to them a
few times. I regularly catch myself singing
phrases from Mike Gunn albums, so hopefully
that counts. I still listen to Miles Davis'
"Bitches Brew" and one of my Art Blakey
albums regularly.
Stephen: Lately I have been listening
to alot of High on Fire. Sabbath with Ozzy
is also the standard too. I will be seeing
Willie Nelson in concert soon too that will
be fun.
Ramon: Charlie has it right � horns was
between C6 and ATAL. The reason it got all
mixed up was because ATAL was kind of a
ninja record. What happened during C6 is
that the mixing process took forever and I
had some bug up my ass to go all out and
just make some kind of definitive statement
on Linus. So, I cashed out my 401K and sunk
the whole fucking thing into the record. I
kind of figured, I�d rather have something
to show my son when he�s older to show his
old man wasn�t so square. But anyhow, I got
with Steve and we did a lot in secret. The
band didn�t know that what we were recording
was kind of a done deal and Steve and I
mixed, tracked and did a lot in secret. By
the time we told the band, it was largely
done. The thing that sparked that album and
set the tone was �Southern Pine.� Clinton
wrote that and it kind of bridged the gap
between the melodic stuff you hear on Horns
and the more heavy shit. As for influences�.
I have a lot of the same influences as
Clinton though I also have to cite Hendrix,
as Old Crow totally has that Band of Gypsies
shuffle, and there are a lot of classic rock
and punk influences to be sure but I tend to
borrow small things from local musicians a
lot. I started finger picking as a result of
watching my friend Mlee Marie (Hearts of
Animals) play. There is a song I think
Charlie wrote that you�ll hear on Bag of
Hammers which I play slide on and I kind of
steal from Mlee and Jim Otterson there. I do
some things you hear with my analog delay
that I stole from Christina Carter like on
�Alien Abduction� and bands like the Fatal
Flying Guilloteens are apparent when you
hear �She Bad She Thowed.�
In terms of other bands I�m listening to
right now? What I�ve been listening to in
the last few weeks? Well, I�m really digging
the new album, Cold Comes to Claim, by that
Chicago band Brontosaurus and I�ve been
playing a lot of Dungen (Ta Det Lungnt is
amazing � thanks Mlee for the
recommendation) and Randy Newman. I don�t
think any of those bands have anything in
common now that I think of it.
Stonerrock.gr Speaking the truth .. a
strong criteria to evaluate a music band or
artist is the live performance ,-- in that
case in Texas rock scene there are other
bands play in stage that we must check after
your impressions ; What 's your opinion
about this Stone rock scene explosion lately
! ;
Clinton:
My favorite Texas psych/stoner act is ST 37 out of
Austin, Texas. Hearing them live is a great
experience because every performance is different,
improvisational - but at the same time they hold
down a basic idea with great hooks that pull the
audience in and play with a ton of power. But sadly
a lot of the great heavy bands in Texas have broken
up, and so a lot of the time we feel like dinosaurs
-- not a bad thing, necessarily. To be honest, I
think that right now there is as much or more
momentum for stoner rock outside the United States
as there is inside it. Which is funny, because
there's always a great fan base here for heavy
music, even though our mainstream media avoids it
like the plague.
Charlie: I'm with Clinton on ST 37, but
honestly I don't get out much to see live music as
often as I'd like, and when I do, it's usually
improv/free jazz, noise, whatever's currently going
on in the Houston local scene... right now it seems
like psych isn't that big here. It's a lot more of a
pop-rock kind of thing going on, which is cool in
its own right, but often makes me feel like we're
out of step with the current times. Not that there's
anything wrong with that, but it does often make
finding bands to do shows with a little tricky, and
sometimes it results in an awkward fit. Other times
the disparity between what we do and what others on
the scene do results in a more varied and
interesting show though, so I can't really complain.
And a lot of these newer bands do put on a pretty
good stage show, so that's something.
Stephen: Local band Venomous Maximus is
pretty bad ass, Witch Doctor General is killer too.
Ramon: You know to be honest, in Houston,
there isn�t much stoner rock informed by psych that
I know of. Austin may actually be having a revival
now. I know they are having a three day Austin Psych
Fest with a lot of good bands like ST37, the Black
Angels, and more but those bands aren�t quite
getting down over here. For the most part I�m not
feelin� a lot of the heavy stuff from Houston. I
mean if, it�s fast and crushing like the hardcore
bands, it�s amazing but stoner when informed by
psych for the most part rolls to more the sludgy and
slower paces. Sure there are a lot of bands that
cite Sabbath and all that but the riffs to me just
seem pedestrian � something is missing in those
bands. It�s all heavy but no psych. It seems that a
lot of those bands are all about tattoos and
whoop-up. They will put on a great live show but you
leave feeling no different than when you came it -
it�s music as a distraction. So, yeah, the heavy
stuff here doesn�t engage me likely because it�s not
very psych. Psych kind of goes to a deeper level.
Yes, it can have it tongue firmly in its cheek even,
but the guitars, the space between the notes, the
atmosphere � that kind of goes to a deeper I guess
you could say spiritual level. Like smoke a bowl and
listen to any Bevis Frond album and tell me that is
not soul stirring. That�s when psych is at its best.
We likely need to get our asses up to Austin again
and check out what happening but we�re likely in the
wrong city for the kind of music we do because psych
is out of fashion as far as I can tell right now in
Houston. But that�s typical for Houston � it�s a
young city. I know phenomenal bands who are in their
early 20�s now but who were the talk of the town
when they were like 19 and now are considered old so
you can imagine how we, a 16 year old band, look to
that crowd. But psych comes in waves and we don�t
ever follow trends � we just stay true to our thing
and maybe that really great wave will hit. If it
does � awesome � but if it doesn�t we still had a
great time in the surf. In the meantime, people in
Europe and other parts of the US still have an
appreciation for what we do and we�re grateful. To
this day, it�s still a great feeling when we see
that some person in Greece, Germany, or California
picked up our record.
Look, God made weed and he made guitars for a reason
so don�t fucking take it lightly. Put on a Stoner
Rock album, smoke a bowl and, if it doesn�t open
your third eye � throw that abomination in the trash
right then. Life is too short to waste on shitty
music. Go out and find it no matter where it hides.
That is a lifetime quest.
Stonerrock.gr: We like tell us some information
about the future release studio work ;
Charlie: The next release is
tentatively entitled Bag of Hammers, and is
planned to be a double vinyl release of our
most recent material. Basically we
(unintentionally) followed the path from the
lighter poppier stuff of Horns of Ammon,
through the heavier rock of All Things Are
Light, and now this is even heavier stuff,
some of it almost approaching metal, or at
least metal as filtered through Linus
psych-rock. It's not all like that; as with
almost all of our records, there's a lot of
variety, which I think is crucially
important to producing something interesting
and lasting. In this case, we have a pretty
dreamy psychedelic song called "Rust", and a
kind of bluesy rocker called "Saving Throw"
(which is all about Dungeons & Dragons), a
multi-part song called "Starchimp" that goes
through heavy swinging psych-rock and a dual
psych guitar duet and then ends up in this
slamming coda part, and though we're not
100% sure, we're thinking at least one side
of one of the vinyl records is probably
going to be taken up with some improvised
material or something experimental; we're
not really clear yet on that side, but it's
wide open for something interesting and
different from the rest of the album. It's
been remarkable how quickly it's all come
together for us. Clinton wrote most of the
songs and unlike most of the previous times
when songs have either come a few at a time
or have taken us tons of time to develop,
these were all pretty much written and ready
to go in bulk. And then we surprised even
ourselves at how quickly we were able to
record them, so long gone are the days (such
as with C6H8O6) where we take months and
months to get anything done. Of course,
we're not finished yet, and there's still
mixing and mastering, so I guess we're not
out of the woods yet. Anyway, if there's one
thing I'm overjoyed about with this record,
it's that I think it's better than our
previous records. When you can do something
for over 15 years and it doesn't feel like
you're retreading old ground or running out
of things to say, that's a pretty awesome
feeling.
Clinton: Our recording sessions so
far have gone well, with most of the basic
tracks already done. We are at a good spot
where we are playing the songs very well but
haven't worn them out yet, which can happen
if you take too long to get them recorded.
We are very lucky that Stephen is not just
our bass player, but also a sound engineer
who has his own studio in Houston, Digital
Warehaus Productions. So we have access to
some top quality gear, and Stephen took a
lot of time to work on things like the drum
acoustics. The results so far are great, and
I think this record will sound better than
anything we've recorded up to this point.
Stonerrock.gr: Thanks to all members for
this interview , we hope to listen the new
work soon .
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